Saturday, April 17, 2010

National Day of Prayer

On April 15th, U.S. District Judge Barbara Crabb decided that the National Day of Prayer mandated by federal law since 1952, is unconstitutional because it amounts to a government call for religious action. In a historic 66 page ruling, Judge Crabb wrote that the government can no more enact laws supporting a day of prayer than it can encourage citizens to fast during Ramadan, attend a synagogue or practice magic.

"In fact," she wrote, "it is because the nature of prayer is so personal and can have such a powerful effect on a community that the government may not use its authority to try to influence an individual's decision whether and when to pray."

Judge Crabb noted that her ruling was not a judgement on the value of prayer. She wrote that government involvement in prayer may be constitutional if the conduct serves a "significant secular purpose" and doesn't amount to a call for religious action, but that the National Day of Prayer crosses that line. Crabb also wrote that her ruling shouldn't be considered a bar to any prayer days until all appeals are exhausted.

US Justice Department attorneys representing the government are reviewing the ruling but Obama administration spokesman Matt Lehrich has already indicated what the White House's position will be. In an email, Lehrich told the Associated Press that the president still plans to issue a proclamation for the next prayer day. "As he did last year," Lehrich wrote, "President Obama intends to recognize a National Day of Prayer."

The lawsuit against the federal government was filed by the Wisconsin-based Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) in 2008. Besides the Foundation, plaintiffs were Anne Nicol Gaylor, Annie Laurie Gaylor, Dan Barker, Paul Gaylor, Phyllis Rose and Jill Dean, who are all Foundation officers or board members. Defendants are President Barack Obama and Robert Gibbs, his press secretary. Original defendants were President George Bush and Dana Perino, his press secretary at the time.

Dan Barker, Foundation co-president, said: "It's nice to see that the judge agrees with us the government should be neutral about religion and should not be taking sides — which is an issue of fairness."

Annie Laurie Gaylor said she was "euphoric" over the decision. "It is such a profound violation of conscience for Congress to direct our president to tell all citizens to pray, and that they in fact must set aside an entire day for prayer once a year. We are so gratified and delighted that Judge Crabb in her solid decision rejected revisionist history and decided this case on the merits."

I have an even better idea. Rather than decide the case on the merits, it can be decided by the evidence. Why let something be decided by faith when we can collect the evidence to support or reject a proposition. This will give Christians an answer to the secular population who claim that Christian belief in prayer is arrogant because "believers" actually think prayer accomplishes something.

Here is my proposal.

On National Prayer Day, Thursday, May 6th, 2010 all believers should pray for my nephew's finger to grow back to its normal state. He lost it in a farm accident. This is not an unreasonable request. The Christian bible clearly states:

John 14:13-14 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it. And again Matt: 18:19 "Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven."

My nephew is a good citizen. He pays his taxes, raised two highly intelligent daughters and a son who also have jobs and pay taxes. He has never been in trouble with the authorities. Unlike the head of Goldman Sachs, he doesn't claim to do God's work; he only wants his finger back. His first name is Elmer. Those praying for him to regrow his finger don't need his last name (though I would provide it if you insist) because God already knows what his last name is. God is also aware of his address so there is no likelihood he will choose the wrong Elmer who ends up with a finger twice as long.

If not just two, but two million believers pray for the finger to regrow, think what a blow that will strike for Christianity. And we already know God is capable of granting the request because he created salamanders and they can do it. Yep, you heard that right. You whack off a salamander's limb (or tail) and it will grow a brand new one. So it's not like God didn't have any experience with this. He already had the blue print. Therefore we must ask ourselves, "If God gave that gift to a slimy salamander, just hours before he created us, why would he deny the same to a believer?"

I will give my nephew a heads-up on this. I'll ask him to pay special attention to what was once his ring finger on his right hand. It it starts feeling kinda itchy and funny on or shortly after National Prayer day, keep a close eye on it. As soon as the growth is complete with a fingernail, let me know.

I will fall on my knees and ask God to forgive me for the audacity of demanding evidence when only faith was required.

27 comments:

  1. Charlie, I'd like to put him on our prayer list, but we haven't had much luck. They seem to just stay there for months and years until they die and then we take them off the list. I would ask my sister to have her Catholic church pray, but their time seems to be taken up in praying their molested children will just keep quiet. Many other churches are kept busy praying that they can raise more money from the remaining members to meet their budget. Then you have all that time and money they spend going to Tea Parties praying that they might be able to raise the money to pay Sarah so can take their country back. Better to just have him stick with the doctor's. By the way,I question why Obama would want a day of prayer since they likely will pray that he fail. Kinda ironic, isn't it. On a serious note, I hope Elmer is doing okay. I know it has to be painful. Sorry to hear about it.

    Jim

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  2. It's o.k. Jim.

    I forgot to mention he lost the finger in 1952. Leroy Ratliff and I buried it in Mom's garden.

    But to think...a salamander could have grown several hundred limbs in that time frame.

    Elmer (without prayer) can't even manage one!

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  3. Then I should take him off my prayer list? I'm relieved. You make a good point, things (both good and bad) seem to happen with or without prayer. It's kind of like going to the doctor, you seem to get over it in two weeks regardless of whether you see the doctor or pray about it. I see prayer as a way to verbally express your concerns or gratitude. In times of crisis, it gives you something to do until it is over regardless of the eventual outcome. If no harm is done in the crisis, we call it a miracle.

    Jim

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  4. I am highly amused and dismayed at the same time. I promise you, Charlie, both my brother, Elmer, and myself would prefer you forget about the finger (though we know why you used it...salamander) and ask that all those prayers focus on curing our diabetes. Then we could eat more dessert! And I am (only slightly) offended you didn't even mention praying for me! So what's the deal?
    BTW, I am going to the doctor soon. That gal running against Harry Reid said I should take a chicken to pay the doc. I know this is off topic, but what do YOU think? Beef? Venison? Denny got a lot of ducks last year. The doc might like duck. He will probably get sick of chicken. How'd they pay for Elmer's finger?

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  5. As we all know, diabetes is a disease in which the insulin-producing cells of the pancreas are destroyed.

    You and your brother most probably inherited this trait from your mother who in turn came from a family with a history of the disease. (I just found I am "pre-diabetic)

    The good news is that a cure is not all that far away. As far back as 2004, adult mice with diabetes symptoms from pancreatic damage were given transplants of bone marrow-derived stem cells. The transplants were 100% sucessful and the pancreas in all the mice began to perform normally. Not surprisingly, none of the improvements were due to prayer. Rather they came about because of the hard work of researchers who insist on evidence as a gauge of the efficacy of their work. So hang in there. Help is on its way.

    So why didn't I insist on everybody praying for you? I can answer that with a story.

    When I owned the Texas ranch, a lady called one day wanting to buy some hay and inquired about the price. I told her it was 3.00 per bale. She became indignant and told me that my friend Jack, (another Delta Captain) sold his for 2.50 per bale. I asked, "Then why don't you buy from him?" She replied, "Because he doesn't have any." To which I replied, "Well, when I don't have any I lower my price to 1.00 per bale." So this is why I didn't ask for all these Christians to pray for you. Prayer (and faith) is really, really cheap. In fact, if it were hay we could lower the price even below 1.00 We could just give it away. Problem is you get what you pay for.

    Hope this answers your question.

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  6. Charlie, I came across this on CNN. I know you are sorry to hear of the narrow mindedness of our military. It seems Brother Frank has a short memory too. Has he forgotten that inquisition thing in the 13th century, the Spanish (on orders of the Pope) slaughtering the Aztec, and everyone else in our Southwest, Mexico, Central and South America taking their gold and land? I know the witch hunt was a slight indiscretion, but it wasn’t for the women who were burned and drowned. Hey, Frank, since you don’t “like the way (Muslims) treat women”, I guess you think all that was acceptable.

    The Army rescinded its invitation to evangelist Franklin Graham for the upcoming National Day of Prayer at the Pentagon over controversial remarks he made about Islam.
    "True Islam cannot be practiced in this country," he told CNN's Campbell Brown last December. "You can't beat your wife. You cannot murder your children if you think they've committed adultery or something like that, which they do practice in these other countries."
    Graham later tried to temper his remarks by saying that he had Muslim friends. However, the son of famed evangelist Billy Graham has a history of comments that bothered the Pentagon. Shortly after the terrorist attacks of September 2001, for instance, Graham called Islam a "very evil and wicked religion."
    Graham, who said a prayer at the inauguration of President George W. Bush, said he regretted the Army's decision but stood by his comments.
    "I don't like the way they treat women, the way they treat minorities. I just find it horrific. But I love the people of Islam," he said, adding some of his work has been in Muslim nations. For instance, Samaritan's Purse, the international charity that he heads, works with Iraqi refugees in Jordan.
    "It's a part of the world I love very much," Graham said. "And I understand it. But I certainly disagree with their teaching."
    The Army, which oversees the National Day of Prayer ceremonies at the Pentagon, feared that if Graham spoke at the Pentagon, Islamic militants would publicize his comments, potentially fueling tensions in Muslim nations like Iraq and Afghanistan, where U.S. troops are deployed.
    Concerns about Graham were flagged by the watchdog group Military Religious Freedom Foundation, which also raised objections that the Pentagon prayer ceremony had become a fundamentalist Christian event.
    Jim

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  7. Charlie! Thanks for not putting me on the list. Can I get some of that cheap hay? Then maybe I'll get the grandkids a pony. I know, I know. you don't have the ranch anymore! Oh well, I don't have room for a pony. I prayed about it and god said it probably wasn't a good idea to keep it in this 1600 sq ft condo. I am glad he led me down the right trail (pun intended).
    Jim, thanks for your comments too. I got an email this morning from a right wing friend who is beginning to look stupid. Too much faus nes I suspect. The essence was that muslims won't have to pay for health care and the... well, I'll try to find it and forward to Charlie. Crazy just crazy.

    CA gal

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  8. Not to mention the Salem Witch Trials the abortion doctor killings the beating of young men possessed of "devils", the withholding of medical care to youngsters, resulting in their deaths....I could go on and on.

    No caring whether a thing is true or not is no different than not caring where you money comes from, so long as you have it." Robert Pirsig

    It is a puzzling thing. The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.
    Robert M. Pirsig

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  9. Have you noticed this is found in AMERICAN THINKER? They use the Muslims as their source of information. Of course, it is all supported by the "fair and balanced" FOX network. By the way, contributions are appreciated. Charlie, does this remind you of the fundamentalist preacher trying to convert you using quotes from the Catholics and an atheist author? I won't mention the motive for concern for your precious soul.

    Jim

    Jim

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  10. Calif. Gal

    Here is how you get the pony. First pray for one. If the pony doesn't arrive within a reasonable time, steal it.

    Then pray for forgiveness.

    That's how I got my first bicycle.

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  11. Charlie, you may be on to something. You remember that guy who prayed that everything he touched would turn to gold? No,I'm not talking about that crook over at Goldman's. Anyway, Dr. Phil asked him, "So, how is it working for you?" Here was his answer. Notice prayer seemed to work for him along with baptism. At least, my religious friends would insist so. Nothing like using Greek mythology to support your own mythology.

    King Midas’ confession Taken from Ovid’s Metamorphoses 43BC-17 AD and Bacchus (a Greek god) instructions for Midas to be saved. As you may remember, King Midas asked for and received the gift of turning everything into gold that he touched. That also included food, water etc. It was a curse of death.

    The rich poor fool, confounded with surprize,
    Starving in all his various plenty lies:
    Sick of his wish, he now detests the pow'r,
    For which he ask'd so earnestly before;
    Amidst his gold with pinching famine curst;
    And justly tortur'd with an equal thirst.
    At last his shining arms to Heav'n he rears,
    and in distress, for refuge, flies to pray'rs.
    O father Bacchus, I have sinn'd, he cry'd,
    and foolishly thy gracious gift apply'd;
    Thy pity now, repenting, I implore;
    Oh! may I feel the golden plague no more.

    The hungry wretch, his folly thus confess,
    Touch'd the kind deity's good-natur'd breast;
    The gentle God annull'd his first decree,
    And from the cruel compact set him free.
    But then, to cleanse him quite from further harm,
    And to dilute the relicks of the charm,
    He bids him seek the stream that cuts the land
    Nigh where the tow'rs of Lydian Sardis stand;
    Then trace the river to the fountain head,
    And meet it rising from its rocky bed;
    There, as the bubling tide pours forth amain,
    To plunge his body in, and wash away the stain. (sin)

    This also happens to be our Christian PLAN OF SALVATION.

    Instructions to Jews in Jerusalem by the Apostle Paul AD 33 which started the church in Jerusalem and later led by James (brother of Jesus), Peter, and John

    KJV Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

    Instructions for Saul of Tarsus who later became the Apostle Paul who founded churches in the Greek world. cc. 50-64 AD

    KJV Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

    Jim

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  12. Oh, one other thing. I have no problem leading a prayer when asked to do so. For me,it is simply expressing my thanks or concerns(to whomever or whatever) the listeners seem to believe exists. In this case, would I do so in the name of the Greek god Bacchus or the Christian Greek god Jesus? Throw in Horus, Isis, Osiris or any other chosen god, it would make no difference to me. I'm just a thankful considerate kind of guy. I try to cover all the bases. Hey! Hedging works in the other mystical realm called Wall Street.

    Jim

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  13. You realize of course you are not dealing with the SEC here. Unlike that organization, Jesus can see right through your scam.

    But can your Christian brethren?

    They would not be pleased. A church is the only institution I'm aware of that accepts you for what you believe and unceremoniously kicks you out for what you know.

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  14. I wouldn't necessarily call it a scam. In fact I would be more than willing to discuss my actions with anyone willing to listen. It is all about allowing others to choose their own belief. What I say won't be heard beyond the range of my audience. Should anyone ever be able to prove otherwise, I would then be willing to address my thanks and concerns to whatever power that might exist. I would insist on proof that could withstand peer review. Should they do so I'll introduce him or her to you. That way, we both get hauled away to the funny farm should I have fallen for another whopper. I'll keep you informed just in case.

    Jim

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  15. Jim said:“It is all about allowing others to choose their own belief.”

    Of course there is no way we can "disallow" others to choose their own beliefs. Delusional people have been snatching "beliefs" out of thin air for thousands of years. They then try to convince others (without evidence of course) that all they have to do to inherit a paradise in an afterlife is to adopt those airborne beliefs. The "five finger exercise" in your church which you were kind enough to explain to me, is just one example.

    The thing is that the bible makes TESTABLE claims. When Jesus says, "If two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven," he is making a testable claim. This is what I was trying to point out using my nephew's finger as an example.

    Actually, so that our request doesn't seem too over the top to a beneficient god, we could make the request much easier to fulfil than a missing finger. For example I can give you the name of a really great guy in the construction business who, through no fault of his own is nearly broke, and he is in desperate need of a new backhoe . We could all get together (remember not just two but millions of us) and pray for a backhoe for Jerry.


    My point that if only one person believed they were eating and drinking the body of a long dead religious figure, the rest of us would have no compunction about sending them off to the funny farm, but if over a billion believed it, it must somehow make it true, also applies to Protestants. If only one person believed that dead people come back alive (and that they are actually having a live conversation with one)or that the earth is only 6500 years old, or that snakes and donkeys talked and on ad nauseum, then they would also be a candidate for the funny farm. But if a billion believe it....well it must be true.

    I still prefer evidence over belief and faith. Maybe I can talk you and a couple more of your church members (three would provide a slight cushion over the two required by Jesus) to pray for Jerry to receive a new back-hoe. Or even a good used one for that matter.

    If that comes to pass I'll start counting my fingers and feel sorry for my nephew who is sure to be excluded because he only has four.
    Ask yourself this. If you had no family i.e. wife, kids, grandkids...in other words, nobody to answer to but yourself...would you do anything differently? Would you still lead a prayer, knowing full well your words are addressed only to those within the range of your audience...the church members.

    It take courage (and sometimes treasure) to stand up for what one really believes. The Freedom From Religion Foundation is hoping to run a full page ad in the NYT refuting National Prayer Day. (They have already won their lawsuit declaring it unconstitutional in the lower courts.) Those who contribute 1000 or more will see their names printed along with the ads. My name will proudly be displayed to over a million readers of that paper.

    When the politicians finally are aroused from their slumber and come to the jolting realization that skeptics like myself outnumber the next ten major religions after Catholics and Baptists, we may actually see a little less hypocrisy and pandering. Or not. Whatever the outcome I can say I stood up for what I believe (or in this case don't believe) and I put my money where my mouth is.

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  16. Charlie, you said, "Ask yourself this. If you had no family i.e. wife, kids, grandkids...in other words, nobody to answer to but yourself...would you do anything differently? Would you still lead a prayer, knowing full well your words are addressed only to those within the range of your audience...the church members."

    I'm sure I would. Would it make me a better person? Who knows. Good question!

    Jim

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  17. When I wrote that previous answer, I had just sat down after a day's drive from Branson. I have since had my shower and am watching CBS 60 Minutes. It is about peer pressure. Hope you are watching it. Would I stay in that smoking room influenced by peer pressure. From couch, I would say NO! If in the room, who knows. As to that praying think, if I felt it was important to my wife and might benefit her in some way, I probably would kneel on broken glass and pray daily. Should I tell her I would do so, she might would say something like, "You are an idiot". She is the best thing that ever happened to me.

    Jim

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  18. I was mistaken it was NBC Dateline, not CBS 60 Minutes.

    Jim

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  19. Thank god, Jim. I watched 60 minutes last night and was scratching my head. (Mom had Alzheimers.)
    And, Charlie, catch my back! I am going after that pony. If it all works out , I'll be praying again soon!

    CA gal
    p.s. New piece soon???

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  20. CA gal
    p.s. New piece soon???


    I had a piece labeled, "Does Size Matter", detailing what a tiny little speck our home planet is compared to others in the universe. Next will be "Does Time Matter?" Jim has already read it in a response I sent to him over a year ago but I think it could use a fresh airing.

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  21. Charlie, I hate to bring this up, but about that bicycle, what color was it or was it even painted? Seems like I had one missing back in 1945. I might have left it on Blue ditch. If you still have it, maybe I can get my brother Bill to return those tools he swiped out of the toolbox of your Ford tractor. Aw, just forget the bike, Bill has two he's trying to sell and my brother Connie's widow has 17 (so she says)to sell. One he had just bought for $275 and the rest bought at garage sales.

    Jim

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  22. Thanks for my early a.m. laugh, guys!
    CA gal

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  23. O.K. Jim, you caught me. (Sort of)

    My first bike was actually purchased from your brother, Bill for the princely sum of 12 bucks. Something was wrong with it in that it was extremely hard to pedal, a drawback I was aware of going in to the deal. Bill and I used to take the innards out of the driving mechanism and carefully put them back thinking something must be too tight. It never worked.

    I later bought a brand new JC Higgins out of the Sears Catalog. "Designed to give miles and years of dependable service with mechanically improved action, new handling ease, new comfort."
    Features were:

    ...Self energized, air cooled coaster brake
    ...Motorcycle style kick-up parking stand
    ...Gothic fenders and big U handle bars
    ...Adjustable seat
    Cash 41.50

    We were picking cotton that year for 2.00 per hundred so I picked 2075 pounds of cotton for that baby. On a good day I could pick around 120 pounds so that would translate to about 17 days hard labor. Not a bad trade off since at the time we didn't have electricity and so no TV to watch. Might as well be pickin' cotton.

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  24. I never owned a new bicycle in my life. It doesn't surprise me that Bill was involved in that bicycle deal. He was also always good at repairing things. Do you remember our 1948 Crosley car? Dad traded an electric generator for it. Bill could take that thing apart (and he did) and put it back together in no time at all. About that cotton money, I remember when your dad was slow in paying you, so you sang the musical scale, "Ray owe me dough" instead of do-ra- me. I flunked my first music course in college. That's probably the way I sang the scale. Thanks for messing up my mind. Speaking of bicycles, are you still riding yours after the accident?

    Jim

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  25. Better make that "Do, Re, Mi," instead of do-ra-me. What the heck, I flunked music the first time, but passed it under a different teacher who didn't grade on a curve. However, I was the only one in the class who wasn't a music major. He overlooked my 65% average when the rest averaged 95%. He felt sorry for me.

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  26. I remember the Crosley well. Also remember your dad taking us up to Benton on a few occasions to the movie on Sat. nights. Surely we didn't all fit into that Crosley! Didn't he have another car of some kind?

    My bike is bent and retired, like me. Surgeon who removed C6 and C7 said if I took another fall that it would probably paralyze me for life. Interesting thing. I paid 850.00 for it. Quite a bit more than the 12 bucks I paid Bill for the first one.

    Music? I also bought a harmonica from Sears back in 48. It came with a little booklet and diagram that showed how to play simple tunes. If the hole was painted black, for example, you blew air in. If it was white, you sucked air in. I still remember how to play "Ol Black Joe". Blow suck blow, blow suck blow, blow suck blow, blow suck blow, blow blow blow blow blow blow blow suck blow. (I won't play the entire song) I was 30 years old before I realized I wasn't reading music.

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  27. He also had a 1949 Ford. Whenever we took the Crosley to Benton and went to the movie, we could expect some of the local guys to carry that Crosley to the steps of the courthouse. It was like the courthouse having its own hood ornament. Crosleys were sold at appliance stores along with their washing machines. I think they used the same motors.

    Jim

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