This is from NPR. I'll insert my own comments in the story later.
text size A A A May 5, 2010
As presidents have done every year since 1952, President Obama on Thursday will issue a proclamation urging people to "turn to God in prayer and meditation." Tens of thousands of people across the country will gather to celebrate the National Day of Prayer. But recently, a federal judge put a little damper on the half-century-old event.
For now, the culture war that resulted has left some undeterred. Take the residents of Mount Prospect, Ill. If past is prologue, about 200 of them will cram into a banquet hall on Thursday morning to eat, sing but mainly pray for the leaders of the nation, the state and the town's mayor, Irvana Wilks.
"We all fall short, especially when we're elected officials, and we all really need those prayers," Wilks says.
We all fall short, especially when we're elected officials, and we all really need those prayers.
- Irvana Wilks, mayor of Prospect, Ill.
The mayor will be there along with other Christians, Jews, Muslims and Baha'is. She says people look forward to the annual breakfast because it gives them an inside look at other people's faiths.
"It's a day that lives on in people's memories," Wilks says. "They'll mention to me, 'I love that speaker; it was so inspirational.' "
But Annie Laurie Gaylor, who runs the Freedom From Religion Foundation with her husband, says the National Day of Prayer is unconstitutional — nothing less than government endorsement of religion.
"This makes us who are not religious feel excluded," Gaylor says. "It makes us political outsiders. It makes me feel like the president is telling me that I'm supposed to believe in a God, and there's something wrong with me — and even if I don't believe in a God, I'm still supposed to pray."
Activists In Overdrive
Last month, a federal judge in Wisconsin agreed. Judge Barbara Crabb struck down the 1952 statute that called for a national day of prayer, although she wrote that prayer events may take place until all the appeals are exhausted.
With this legal victory in hand, Gaylor wrote every governor and the mayor of every city with more than 30,000 people. She urged them to abandon the prayer events this year, saying they disenfranchise those who don't believe in God.
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Annie Laurie Gaylor, who runs the Freedom From Religion Foundation with her husband, says the National Day of Prayer is unconstitutional — nothing less than government endorsement of religion. Gaylor is shown here in 2007.
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Annie Laurie Gaylor, who runs the Freedom From Religion Foundation with her husband, says the National Day of Prayer is unconstitutional — nothing less than government endorsement of religion. Gaylor is shown here in 2007.
"We also quoted the Sermon on the Mount, where Jesus points out that if you pray, you should pray in secret to your Father, otherwise you're a hypocrite," Gaylor says. "We have both the Bible and the Constitution in our favor — that the government should not be in the prayer business."
Michael Calhoun, spokesman for the National Day of Prayer Task Force, says the ruling amounts to "an attack upon the religious heritage of Americans."
Calhoun says setting aside a day for prayer and meditation is a tradition that dates back to the Founding Fathers. His group is mobilizing thousands of volunteers to "save" that practice.
"We don't want to be the generation that loses the National Day of Prayer," Calhoun says. "It's time for Americans to take a stand and say, 'Enough is enough! No longer will an atheist in Wisconsin undermine a tradition for millions of Americans who simply want to pray for their nation.' "
Alliance Defense Fund, a conservative legal group, is sending out letters to mayors and governors saying that the day of prayer is constitutional. ADF attorney Michael Johnson believes the decision will be overturned, especially if it gets to the U.S. Supreme Court.
"Their whole case is premised upon the idea that just because they claim to be offended by it, they should be able to challenge the National Day of Prayer statute and have it struck down," he says. "We disagree with that. The First Amendment simply doesn't provide any of us with a right not to be offended."
I have no problem with having a day of prayer as long as it isn't government sponsored.
- Cecil Bothwell, City Council member in Asheville, N.C
Nonbelievers In Secret
But Cecil Bothwell, an atheist and City Council member in Asheville, N.C., says the prayer advocates are missing the point.
"I have no problem with having a day of prayer," Bothwell says, "as long as it isn't government sponsored."
Bothwell says he's not bothered by the two privately sponsored prayer events that will take place in his town on Thursday because the government is not endorsing or paying for them. Moreover, Bothwell doesn't think politicians will start shunning the National Day of Prayer — at least not right away.
"I'm very aware I'm among a very small group of political people who will admit they are not believers," Bothwell says. "However, quietly, I've had other politicians come to me and say, 'I agree with you, but I'm afraid to say anything in public.' "
Gaylor thinks that is beginning to change. She says that now that the number of secular people in the U.S. has greatly increased, her arguments are gaining traction.
"It's not that we're feeling emboldened; it's just that there's more of us," she says. "And we are offended and injured when our government tells us that we have to pray and when to pray and why to pray."
And even if the National Day of Prayer is upheld by the courts, Gaylor believes they've added a few bricks to the wall separating church and state.
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Irvana Wilks, mayor of Prospect, Ill.
ReplyDeleteThe mayor will be there along with other Christians, Jews, Muslims and Baha'is. She says people look forward to the annual breakfast because it gives them an inside look at other people's faiths.
Public prayer aside (but why must it be an official act of the city, state, or federal government?) it is good for these groups to examine what each believes and perhaps admit none of their differences is worth killing each other. If they could all agree their religion is based on a tradition of superstition and ignorance, but a tradition they wish to continue in a non-violent way, so be be. This is matter the government should avoid. Just my opinion.
Jim
Whoever wrote "ignorance is bliss" had it right, Only problem is, that ignorance is gonna take away freedom if it keeps on going!
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Jim Wrote:
ReplyDelete"Public prayer aside (but why must it be an official act of the city, state, or federal government?) it is good for these groups to examine what each believes and perhaps admit none of their differences is worth killing each other. If they could all agree their religion is based on a tradition of superstition and ignorance, but a tradition they wish to continue in a non-violent way, so be be. This is matter the government should avoid. Just my opinion."
Well said Jim.
Here's the thing. Anyone who grows up as a Baptist in, for example, Alabama, knowing full well that if they had grown up in Indonesia or Saudi Arabia, they would have been a Muslim, is the victim of childhood indoctrination.
Which is a perfect segue to the next logical thought. Teaching something to a child just because it makes you feel good is no better than not caring where your money comes from as long as you have it.
And you are also right CA gal. Ignorance is bliss because it is just so damned EASY! Too many on this earth are quite content with their ignorance. Their most vigorus contempt is aimed at those who would help rid them of it.
I had a conversation with someone (can't say who) this afternoon while sitting outside my R.V. I raised the question, "Suppose you didn't believe as you do, could I convince you a naked woman talking to a snake caused pain in childbirth to women and brought sin into the world?" He had to admit that he would not believe it. I asked why does he now believe it. He said since the bible said so he had to believe it. I insisted in knowing why he had to believe a book written by an unknown writer. He said, I'm just too old to do otherwise. I said, "I'm not, so I don't believe it."
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Continued from above. My questions as to why he had to believe continued. He stated he had to believe the Old Testament because the New Testament would mean nothing without it. I agreed. Are you thinking ahead of me? The conversation ended when a blast of wind (oh no, God won't let me continue, he knows I promised my wife that I wouldn't get into an argument with him) began to attack my awning and required us to stop and roll it up. You can see where this leads. You use Jewish fables to support Christian fables and that equals the inspired words coming directly from God. I must admit this doesn't answer the question as to whether there is a God; it just tells you this isn't where you will find credible evidence for him/her/it. There has to be something that created the universe, but is it an angry white guy in the sky? Our fables have caused millions to believe that. I still attend church and consider myself religious, but would not shy away from discussing my position with friends, family, and church members. I would love an environment (non-threatening) where we could do so. Classes would be a lot more exiting. I'm willing to follow truth wherever it leads me.
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Jim
Jim Said:
ReplyDelete"I raised the question, "Suppose you didn't believe as you do, could I convince you a naked woman talking to a snake caused pain in childbirth to women and brought sin into the world?" He had to admit that he would not believe it."
This reinforces my point made earlier about delusions. That is, if there was only ONE Catholic, and we encountered that one Catholic sitting on a park bench eating crackers and drinking wine and claiming it was the body and blood of Jesus, we would agree that the person was in need of a psychiatrist. But if a billion plus believe it, somehow it becomes true.
Its o.k. to question. Its o.k. to seek answers.
If we were raised in an enviornment where dogma has already presented you with answers, the truth is often just too difficult to accept.
When we learn to accept truth based on evidence, rather than what we "feel", or what uneducated ignoramouses tell us what is true, it can be the most exhilerating experience of our lives.