Wednesday, May 19, 2010

Q. Is Ignorance Measured in Degrees or Inches?

When I set the parking brake for the last time on that big shiny Delta 767 back in December 1995, I assumed all that knowledge accumulated over 35 years of flying had just become worthless.

Yesterday, after talking to the two Jehovah Witnesses who came knocking on my door, I was happy to discover that at least some of it could still serve a purpose.

I didn’t invite them in. Instead I stood in the doorway and bantered with them. My intent was to see how long they would hold out. Now that I am retired and my life has no apparent purpose or direction I can afford to entertain myself at the expense of others as they go about doing god’s work. (I don’t use upper case for god since there are so many versions of god it must be a common, rather than a proper noun)

Anyhow, when the petitioner for my soul got on the subject of Noah’s Ark, he seemed taken aback that I could quote the scripture on that non-event.

“And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.”

“Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered
.” Gen: 7:19-20

His partner, who until then appeared to be a deaf mute, smiled approvingly.

I asked him if he knew how high the highest mountain on earth was. To his credit he only missed by 50% at 15,000. Most people guess around 10,000. (It’s 29,029 ft. )

However the next question completely stumped him. This is where prior flying experience served me well. I asked him if he knew what the temperature would be 15 cubits (about 22 feet) above the highest mountain on earth. Of course he didn’t have a clue and in all fairness, I didn't expect him to. Aside from airline pilots and meteorologists, why would anyone know? (Or even want to know for that matter, unless like me, you have this pesky sense of curiosity)

The answer is that on a standard day, the temperature at 29,051 (29,029 + 22) would be 43 degrees below zero Fahrenheit. Frozen zebra anyone?

But even if the occupants could have survived the deluge and 43 below zero temperatures, they would have been dead long before the water stopped rising. Again, my flying experience kicks in. For example I once flew a tiny little engineless sailplane to over 23,000 feet over the Colorado Rockies in a little known meteorological phenomenon called a “mountain wave. (Hardly notable since the world altitude record is 50, 699 feet.) Pure oxygen is required at altitudes above 14,000 feet. Above that, without an oxygen mask, most people start getting a little giddy. Passing 20,000 feet most people will have passed out and those still conscious have reached such a stage of silliness it would never occur to them to turn their oxygen supply on. Shortly after passing 20,000 feet I would have died for lack of oxygen.

And so would all the imaginary animals on the imaginary ark (along with the imaginary crew of eight) long before they were frozen solid as a rock on day 40. In fact they would have died for lack of oxygen somewhere around day 30, some 10 days before the ark reached 29,000 feet where god would have delivered them up like so many ice cubes. Ooops!

Oh, by the way, does anyone know how hard it would have to rain in order to cover the highest mountain on earth by 22 feet in 40 days and nights? Turns out the rain would have to come down at the rate 363 inches per hour. Over 6 inches per minute.

I once owned a ranch in Texas. We had a horrible drought in 1979-80. In October of 80 the drought broke. 22 inches of rain fell in just four days. Every bridge on every secondary road in Wise County was destroyed as well as several main bridges. In Noah's flood all that rain would have fallen in less than four minutes.

When I sold the place 16 years later, Wise County property owners were still paying a bridge tax, enacted to replace the bridges washed out in the flood.

As far as I know they are still paying it. Need I say it? Be careful what you pray for.

7 comments:

  1. Charlie said;
    “Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.” Gen: 7:19-20

    The cubit is An ancient unit of linear measure, originally equal to the length of the forearm from the tip of the middle finger to the elbow, or about 17 to 22 inches (43 to 56 centimeters).

    So if I multiply the highest number of 22 x 15 I get 330 inches or 27.5 ft. What am I missing? This is just enough water to cover the Sikeston ridge where my condo is sitting. My brother Bill may not even get wet on the 3rd floor where his apt. is. Charlie, I checked the bible and you quoted it correctly. There might just be another problem with this story. Any ideas?

    Jim

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  2. Charlie said:
    “Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.” Gen: 7:19-20

    Wouldn't fifteen cubits be no higher than 27.5 ft. assuming a cubit to be its highest estimate of 22 inches?

    Jim

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  3. I have long thought the writer of Luke-Acts of the bible copied the works of Josephus CE. 37-100. A close examination will show the author copied (miscopied in many cases) the works of Josephus along with a knowledge of the Apostle (actually, he wasn’t a real apostle w ho had seen the man called Jesus) Paul’s writing. The both owe Philo a debt for merging Mosaic Judaism with Pythagorean philosophy. Philo’s favorite word was kratistos and both Josephus and Luke-Acts used it to introduce their works. It takes little imagination to go from the Greek kratistos to the anglicized Jesus. Charlie, now this is the stuff that can get you thrown out of the church. The quote below comes from The Nazarene Way of Essenic Studies.
    Philo “the Jew” of Alexandria wrote several hundred philosophical and religious essays during the first half of the first century. Many, but not all, survived. From those that are still extant, scholars conclude that Philo’s primary purpose in writing was to merge Mosaic Judaism with Pythagorean philosophy. Clement of Alexandria (c.150 - 215) provided support for this conclusion; he referred to Philo “the Jew” as “the Pythagorean.”
    Equally important to his legacy, Philo aggressively promoted the allegorical interpretation of scripture. He left “Rules for Allegory” to be used in writing, identifying, and interpreting allegorical phrases and stories.
    Philo’s favorite word was kratistos; he used it more than two hundred times in his essays that have survived. The Greek, kratistos, is usually translated as, most excellent.
    Gospel writer Luke opened his two-volume “History of Christianity” (Luke-Acts) by addressing them to: kratistos (most excellent) Theophilus. Josephus opened his “Jewish Wars” and “History of the Jews” (Antiquities) by addressing them to: kratistos (most excellent) Epaphroditus.
    Theo-philus, literally, is god-love; however, also valid is God of Love. Epaphroditus is translated, Beloved of Goddess.
    Looking at the meanings attached to Theophilus and Epaphroditus, it seems that both Luke and Josephus addressed their respective “histories” to the same person: God of Love, Beloved of Goddess.
    Careful, objective examination of the methodology employed by both Luke and Josephus leads to a surprising conclusion: 1) Both were following Philo’s “Rules for Allegory” when they wrote their histories; 2) Luke and Josephus collaborated to create clues that accomplish a single goal: They reveal to all who succeed in accurately interpreting their histories, the historical identities of those who were called, Jesus and Mary Magdalene.
    Jim (maybe I won’t be noticed)

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  4. I noticed just how often I leave out letters to words, so just pick whatever letter from our twenty-six and sprinkle in where needed. I always had others who would edit my works, but that is ancient history and so am I. You will notice I sent the following post which seems redundant. I didn't think the first one got posted. In fact, I just now got both to appear. My laptop got a virus yesterday and I had to get a professional to clean it up. Anyway just ignore this one "Charlie said:
    “Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.” Gen: 7:19-20

    Wouldn't fifteen cubits be no higher than 27.5 ft. assuming a cubit to be its highest estimate of 22 inches?

    Jim

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  5. Jim Said
    "Wouldn't fifteen cubits be no higher than 27.5 ft. assuming a cubit to be its highest estimate of 22 inches?"

    True. I measured my forearm and it turned out to be 18". So 15 X 18" = 270 inches or 22.5 ft. But that is above the highest mountain which is 29,029 ft. God wanted to make sure he got everybody.

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  6. But it says, "Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.” Gen: 7:19-20". It doesn't say upward from what, but I interpret it to mean upward from the ground. If the weather report says, "It rained upward to 3 inches." I think of just 3 inches. Several bible scholars hold that same view, but it doesn't matter since it never happened anyway.

    Jim

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  7. Jim said:

    "It rained upward to 3 inches." I think of just 3 inches. Several bible scholars hold that same view, but it doesn't matter since it never happened anyway."

    Exactly.

    Which is why the Baptist Creed which says:

    "The Holy Bible is a perfect treasure of divine instruction. It has God for its author, salvation for its end, and truth, without any mixture of error, for its matter."

    Which is why the Baptist Creed is a load of crap. Which is why it should not be taught to our children.

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