“Christ, according to the faith, is the second person in the Trinity, the Father being the first and the Holy Ghost the third. Each of these persons is God. Christ is his own father and his own son. The Holy Ghost is neither father nor son, but both. The son was begotten by the father, but existed before he was begotten--just the same before as after. . . .
“So, it is declared that the Father is God, and the Son God, and the Holy Ghost God, and that these three Gods make one God.
“According to the celestial multiplication table, once one is three, and three times one is one, and according to heavenly subtraction, if we take two from three, three are left. The addition is equally peculiar, if we add two to one, we have but one. . . .
“Nothing ever was, nothing ever can be more perfectly idiotic and absurd than the dogma of the Trinity.”
— Robert G. Ingersoll (1833-1899),
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The concept of a Trinity developed about 5000 years ago in Egypt. The mother was Isis (the real power); Osiris the father, and Horus was the son. Other nations such as Persia and the Greeks adopted and renamed the gods but kept the concept of the trinity. The Hebrews including the Jewish teacher we call Jesus would never have accepted a Trinity of Gods. They spoke Aramaic, so I present this interesting feature of the Christian Trinity. In the language of the Hebrews and Jesus, what we know as the Holy Spirit was a female. One Jewish scholar scoffed at the idea of Mary becoming pregnant by it, saying, “When did two females ever produce a child?” Remember Paul redefined what a Jew was (making Greeks one) then others used the Greek translation of the bible to change young woman to virgin (for Mary’s benefit) and then making the feminine Holy Spirit male and a God. In the definition below you will see how the Roman church used Latin to make the change. The Greek definition gave flexibility so they chose the masculine gender, but since we are talking about a Hebrew Jesus it would have to be understood as the Hebrew and Aramaic feminine gender.
ReplyDeleteIf by "gender" is meant grammatical gender, the gender of "Holy Spirit" varies according to the language used. Thus the grammatical gender of the word "spirit" is masculine in Latin ("spiritus") and in Latin-derived languages, as also, for instance, in the German language ("Geist"), while in the Semitic languages such as Hebrew ("רוח"), Aramaic and its descendant Syriac, it is feminine, and in Greek it is neuter ("πνεῦμα").
Jim
Charlie, I'm so impressed by your celestial multiplication, I wonder if you can figure this out? It was written in about 180 CE.by the Bishop of Alexandria, Egypt. Does my Egyptian connection make sense? As you know, I discovered this mystery years ago.
ReplyDeleteAnd God Himself is love; and out of love to us became feminine. In His ineffable essence He is Father; in His compassion to us He became Mother. The Father by loving became feminine: and the great proof of this is He whom He begot of Himself: and the fruit brought forth by love is love.
-Clement of Alexandria, 2nd Century leader.
Jim
Jim said: "Charlie, I'm so impressed by your celestial multiplication, I wonder if you can figure this out?"
ReplyDeleteActually it was one of my favorite authors, Robert Ingersoll, who came up with the celestial multiplication table, but your Clement of Alexandria quote adds credence to Ingersoll's humorus math:..."And God Himself is love; and out of love to us became feminine. In His ineffable essence He is Father; in His compassion to us He became Mother. The Father by loving became feminine: and the great proof of this is He whom He begot of Himself: and the fruit brought forth by love is love."
Say WHAT!! Run that by me again, Clement.
"ineffable essence" What the heck is that?
ineffable: "unable to be expressed in words"
essence: "the quality or nature of something that identifies it or makes it what it is."
Remember Paul’s advice against getting married in 1st Corinthians, and Luke’s line, “If any one comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.” (Luke 14:16)
ReplyDeleteWhere did these guys come up with that stuff?
Here is what Celsus a Roman scholar had to say in the second century about Christianity. "Only foolish and low individuals, and persons devoid of perception, and slaves, and women, and children, of whom the teachers of the divine word wish to make converts. For why is it an evil to have been educated, and to have studied the best opinions, and to have both the reality and appearance of wisdom? What hindrance does this offer to the knowledge of God? Why should it not rather be an assistance, and a means by which one might be better able to arrive at the truth?".
ReplyDeleteReligion aside, do I hear an AMEN?
Jim
He also said:
ReplyDelete"Again, if God, like Jupiter in the comedy, should, on awaking from a lengthened slumber, desire to rescue the human race from evil, why did He send this Spirit of which you speak into one corner (of the earth)? He ought to have breathed it alike into many bodies, and have sent them out into all the world. Now the comic poet, to cause laughter in the theatre, wrote that Jupiter, after awakening, despatched Mercury to the Athenians and Lacedaemonians; but do not you think that you have made the Son of God more ridiculous in sending Him to the Jews?"...
Jim
Jim said:
ReplyDelete"Here is what Celsus a Roman scholar had to say."
"Only foolish and low individuals, and persons devoid of perception, and slaves, and women, and children, of whom the teachers of the divine word wish to make converts. For why is it an evil to have been educated, and to have studied the best opinions, and to have both the reality and appearance of wisdom? What hindrance does this offer to the knowledge of God? Why should it not rather be an assistance, and a means by which one might be better able to arrive at the truth?".
Yep. Think I'll go with Celsus.
Thanks for the quote.